Thursday August 11, 2005
The institution of marriage

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On topic, and I know I visit this issue a lot, is gay marriage. I keep hearing how people want to protect the sanctity of marriage. Yet, almost all of these people are Christians (and, in addition, only one faction).

First off, I doubt Christians invented marriage (I'm too lazy to research). Even if they did, marriage today means so much more than just a ceremony and tying two lives together. It comes with social benefits, economic benefits... there are so many rights that come with marriage that two people living together are simply not afforded.

So I ask you... why are Christians so defensive of marriage? It's not like it's really theirs anymore (if it ever was). Pretty much every country around the world has marriage. I don't see a huge upcry about Buddhists or Muslims marrying each other, "stealing" the Christian's "institution". Yet, with all these non-Christians marrying, you don't see any of them crying out about "protecting" marriage. Wonder why...

So then, if marriage does not belong to Christians, what right do they have to deny it to people? Marriage has become more a legal issue than anything, similar to getting your drivers licence. Gays aren't prohibited from going to the DMV and applying for a driver's licence. Why should they be prohibited from applying for a marriage licence? Both afford their owner(s) certain legal rights. I see no difference between them.

Short entry, but I'd rather hear your thoughts than keep writing, especially since it is now 12:30.

BTW, props to Tom DeLay for realizing the folly of the Republican 100%-anti-stemcell-research stance. The embryos are going to be destroyed anyway... why not do some good while you're at it?




Comments:

i agree on the stem cells thing. The gay marriage things has been discussed to nauseum and I agree with you 100%ly there too.

I think I am becoming increasingly annoyed by close minded, pea brained people. It is not only chirstians conservatives. Fundamentalist muslims, radical enviornmentalists and a large majourity of self proclaimed femenists also fall under this category.

I want to restrain government. See....if you decrese the size of the government...you decrease the influece of these idiots on your life.

less government = less laws = less stupid laws
less government = less stupid wars
less government = more freedom

Now, I just don't understand why the liberal democrats don't understand this stuff?

well..here is what they say

less government = less laws = less protection
less government = less healthcare/welfare benefits
less government = less safety net

Well, the pea brained close minded idiots benefit bunches from big government. They use it as a tool to impose their views onto others.

I think it is about time people started taking personal responsibility for their financial and social well being.

the only solution to any of these "hot topic" problems and a lot of other problems is to let people make up their own mind and not telling what to do to people like me.

Posted by: Akshat at August 11, 2005 02:05 AM

That's why I'm more libertarian than democrat ;)

Posted by: Alan at August 11, 2005 01:25 PM

*yet again jumps up and down trying to demonstrate that not all Christians are anti-Gay marraige*

While I have a religious problem with homosexuality, there is no reason to impress that belief on others. That kinda messed things up with the Crusades.

Posted by: Zeke at August 11, 2005 01:26 PM

Yare yare. Still talking about the same thing over and over.

Of course Christians didn't invent marriage. God did. He created man and woman and told them to be together as a representation of His perfect love. That's what marriage is about. It's not just marriage between homosexuals that's the problem. You already touched on it. Marriage has been redefined as a way to get aid from the government or some sort of legal binding clause, and that's what's wrong. You're not supposed to be able to get marriage and a side of fries at the Las Vegas drive-through. You're arguing with the wrong person, Alan. Christians don't own marriage. God does. And hey. Answer me honestly here. If you truly believed in an all powerful God who had created something perfect and beautiful to symbolize love, then wouldn't you defend it? I'll be the first to admit that Christians aren't perfect. We lie and cheat and divorce and ruin marriage too. But even though we fail because we are human, if we don't defend what we believe in, then we fail even more.

Posted by: Apphia at August 11, 2005 10:34 PM

"If you truly believed in an all powerful God who had created something perfect and beautiful to symbolize love, then wouldn't you defend it?"

If you want me to answer that honestly, I ask, defend it against what? If it's "perfect and beautiful to symbolize love," then all the more reason to allow anyone to marry.
But yeah, I guess I kinda do understand their perspective. It's just that I can't understand what's so threatening about it...

Posted by: Alan at August 12, 2005 12:22 AM

i don't mind letting gays have marriage licenses, as long as the process just stays private and runs like any other marriage would. it's when gays line up in droves and put on this mass marriage sideshow in whatever city decides to mess with its state that disgusts me. keep to yourself, and the public will leave you alone. (i feel the "keep it to yourself" policy, when applied to other aspects of life as well, would solve a lot of problems).

as for stem cells, go for it. the potential gain to medical science is too great to pass this up.

wow, i sound really, like, not conservative today. maybe i just don't know what the heck i am :-|

Posted by: dan at August 12, 2005 01:00 AM

One of the things that's really pissed me off about Christianity over the last few years (well, technically forever, but particularly over the last few years) is the complete assinine that people pull out of there and claim as news. Another problem is that the good Christians I know have enough sense to avoid taking authority. Think about how Satan proposed to make Jesus king if Jesus bowed to him... just think about that.

If I believe the talk Rob Bowman gave last month (and his newsletter published around the same time), the Bible does not forbid homosexual acts. It does, however, forbid adultery (pre-marital sex, including the vaginal and non-vaginal type), and by sheer coincidence some of those involve two dudes. And since two guys can't get married, what's that leave a gay guy to do besides adultery? That's probably where the anti-gay party is coming from. Fact remains, they're bending some laws and twisting phrases.
Another thing the Bible does forbid is hatred, something these anti-gay people use very strongly. And I consider hatred wrong. And it gets really irksome to see other people call hateful people devout, because they're missing something important. We're supposed to look after everyone, regardless of orientation.

I have to agree with Aph on this one. People, even devout Christians, screw up. God gave us incredible gifts, and we (yes, that includes me, you, That Gomez, etc.) do some pretty stupid things with it. Is that enough to give on humanity? For some people, yes. For the good people with hope, no.

In my ever so humble opinion, homosexual poses no threat. It means less competition between straight people. It's only a problem because people (more specifically blowhard leaders) tell us it is, and people are follish enough to believe them instead of get the information themselves. If they think gay people are a threat to the institution of marriage, look at Tom Cruise... and Brit Spears... and, well, pretty much all of Hollywood.

Posted by: Rex at August 12, 2005 10:51 AM


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